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| Case Study 2 22 years old married female came with 2days history of Para umbilical abdominal pain radiating to the right lower quadrant . It was colicky in nature. Patient was nauseated and has had two to three episodes of vomiting, the vomit wasn’t significant .Patient gave history of anorexia for the last week. No history of fever, constipation, or urinary symptoms On the PMH she used to have OCP On Examination Afebrile , conscious, Vital signs WNL Abdominal Ex: No scars , full flanks, not distended There was mild tenderness on the Right Lower Quadrant area With deep palpation on Left lower Quadrant area patient felt tenderness on Right Lower Quadrant area And also patient felt more pain on the RLQ with constant deep palpation +ve bowel sound PR –ve Question : How you will approach this case ? |
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| رد: Case Study 2 Thank you, this is truly good case I hope of our young doctors to try to analyse the history and the clinical findings |
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| رد: Case Study 2 DEAR DR IS IT RADIATING OR SHIFTTING FROM UMBILICAL TO RLQ Left lower Quadrant area patient felt tenderness on Right Lower Quadrant area -- OR PAIN WITH GREAT THANKS |
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| رد: Case Study 2 first of all I would like to thank you Dr for this case for which you deserve +2 points secondly , let's don't just give merely a diagnosis . instead let's learn how to approach this patient an what managment should we provide her as the problem started 2 days ago so it's an acute one the diffrintial diagnosis include : appendicitis , IBS , colitis , urinary stone , gynaecological problem the radiation of the pain is consistent with appendicitis but the coliky nature may tip the balance in favor of urinary or biliary stones nausea and vomiting are non specific symptomes the fact that : With deep palpation on Left lower Quadrant area patient felt tenderness on Right Lower Quadrant area suggest peritonial irritation so I have to ask you is her abdomin solid ? suggesting an acute abdomin I don't know what OCP stand for !!!!!!!!!!!!! can you please tell us the full name the fact the patient is afebrile can exclude inflammatory processes which makes the case more complicated the increased bowel sounds is a sign of mechanical obstruction which maybe the result of impacted biliary stone If I faced such a patient i'll refer her to a general surgeon |
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| Re: Case Study 2 thank you for your response Now I am gonna try to make this subject so good for disscution ***dr_amincops:cool: 1-What dose the difference if this pain was radiated or shifted 2- the second thing you asked, yes the lady felt pain in RLQ with constant pressure in LLQ ***Abo Alqassem If I faced such a patient i'll refer her to a general surgeon Because of that I am a SURGEON:chris: Let me clarify some points 1- you are absolutlu right, this Acute problem 2- your DDx is so good but ( Urinary stone ) is still away because in the Hx I wrote NO URINARY SYMPTOMS 3- the colicky nature of pain dosent mean only urinary problem you Know that colicky nature reflects any pain in any hollow organ 4- nausea and vomiting are playing role here my bro 5-in the Examination I mentioned that the abdomin not distended :d So it is not solid 6- OCP means Oral Contaceptive Pill ( sorry about that stand:giggle: ) 7- +ve bowel sound dosent mean increased it Finally you are still have good thinking and with above information I will wait to read your reply |
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| Dear Abu Layan Despite I am not a surgeon but I know that if the pain radiates to a place that mean it is still in its place and the patient feels the pain in another place egg. If I have a patient with chest pain and this pain radiates to his left elbow this means he continued to have the pain in the chest but the he feels the pain also now in the elbow and it does not last in the elbow if the chest pain disapears. This is called referred pain On the other hand, if the pain shifted to another place this mens that it completely disappeared from its original place egg. In patients with acute appendicitis the pain starts in the periumblical area and then it shifts to right illiac fossa and this is not referral pain, it is shifting pain I have some comments about the case First, the patients history starts 1 week ago by anorexia and nausea and this excludes the acute appendicitis Second, using OCP does not exclude ectopic pregnancy, because there is still about seven percent risk of failure of OCP The deep palpation of the left lower quadrent associated with RtLQ pain, this is Rovsing sign and it suggest peritoneal irritation and possible acute appendicitis, but this was excluded by the prolonged history The tenderness in the RtLQ with constant palpation generally does not go with acute appendicitis because with constant palpation the pain will vanish and comes back strongly after removal of the pressure, which is known as McBurney sign How To Approach This Patient I will continue the physical exam by doing PV [pelvic exam] to see the exitation pain of the cervix to role out ectopic pregnancy Then I will go for the diagnostic tests First I will do CBC which is rapid, simple and mostly available to see the WBC count which may show neutrophilia in cases of infection like acute appendicitis, even in ectopic pregnancy. So this is not specific but it is helpful if the WBCs were normal The most important test is Beta HCG to see if there is pregnancy or not Then for the costy and sophesticated tests like abdominal and pelvis Ultasound, if this was normal and does not show fluids around the appendex and the signs to suggest iflammed appendex, then I will look for gyecologic causes like ectopic pregnancy or tortion of ovarian cyst taking into consideration that this is hyperacute presentation and look for pouch of doglas for any fluid collection If this was negative and the patient continued to have this acute abdomen, then surgical exploration is advisable and keeping in mind if the appendex is normal, I will look for Michel's Diverticulum because this could be Michel's Diverticulitis I hope of God, NO ONE OF MY PATIENTS FALL IN HANDS OF A SURGEON |
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| رد: Case Study 2 مشكورين جميعا على هذا النقاش المفيد بصراحة الفائدة منه كبيرة جداً وأتمنى أن تفيدونا بمزيد من الحالات في المستقبل + 2 لكل منكم |
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| Re: Case Study 2 Thank you dr_rshama you did great approach to this case and it is benifits that we are looking for ( I have one position for you in my team:d ) so for all those have been red this disscution what is the final Dx that you think |
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| رد: Case Study 2 Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa Please............Please.................noooooooooooooooooooo ( I have one position for you in my team )How can you drop me down in a surgical team???????????? am I your enemy I respect you a lot BUT Please forgive me and do not take me there |
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| Re: Case Study 2 No you arn't my enemy But my best friend how can I do my job without your help (Internist) So you are my bro ![]() |
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